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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  So by your definition, criminals can just walk away and don't have to comply?

  Criminals, no, I have said repeatedly if someone is under arrest or being detained then they have to comply. If that person is not under arrest or being detained they are not a criminal. You are putting words in my mouth. What crime was a young girl in a bikini standing there committing? What makes her a criminal?

  
  

  She ignored repeated requests to move away and ignored / defied them. What are the police to do next - just throw up their hands

  Yup, move along, none of their business
  
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  It matters, because, if someone is just standing there on public land, committing no crime, then a police officer (or anyone else) has NO right to be demanding anything of them.

  Quite why you think 14 year olds in bikinis are threats to safety, or had guns (down the bikini tops?) is beyond me. It was quite clear that the young girls the officer was handcuffing and wrestling to the ground were not "threatening safety" or an "unruly crowd".

  Really, if you can't see this though, this is a pointless debate. Your language is so loaded I wonder if I watched the same video is you.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  But obnoxiously failing to either disperse or sit down when requested to do so in this kind of circumstance is just plain stupid

  Wow, how can "failing to sit down when requested" be obnoxious. I wouldn't sit on the ground either if I didn't want to. Once again, they are public servants, if a member of the public doesn't want to lie in the dirt I don't understand why their servant should be ordering them to do so, when they are not under detention or arrest, and appear to be committing no crime.
  
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  For the most part, sidewalks in the USA are on public right of way.

  You say they are public right of way, Morpheus says they are private land - who is right! I suspect you are, as being private land makes zero sense!
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  How do people walk on them to get home then, without being arrest for trespassing?

  Who are they trespassing against?

  How does a courier or postman delivery anything, do they have to teleport to the house and back out again?

  Deeming roads & sidewalks as private and saying being on them is trespassing must make life extremely hard!
  
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  tenyearsafter - you probably just need to look at how other country's police force act. I don't like how the UK is becoming USA-lite, but you [generally] never, ever, see that kind of behaviour here. If you can get past your US-centric views it's obvious to most of the planet there are SO many ways to deal with a situation without literally running in, shouting, swearing, swinging a weapon around and handcuffing people.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  So, in the USA, all sidewalks are private property, and anyone walking on them is trespassing. You are hilarious.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  Public land? Rotfl. You just showed how ignorant you are of this situation.

  1) it very plainly is NOT public land. Its a privatly owned and run community pool.

  
  

  This is a community pool? Looks like roads/pavements/grass on a housing estate to me. You have weird looking community pools in the US
  

  2) disturbing the piece and public land are not mutually exclusive. People are arrested all the time for distubing the peace on both public and PRIVATE property. Owning the land does not give you the right to disturb the peace on it. They clearly were breaking the law as house parties for decades have done. They get shut down all the time. Nobody cries.

  1) You should learn to spell basic words before you patronise me like I'm some kind of idiot.

  2) I never mentioned a connection between "disturbing the piece" [sic] and location, you made that up. Pointless strawman.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  "When the police make a reasonable request you should follow it."

  Why? Telling someone to sit on the ground is not a reasonable request, they are PUBLIC SERVANTS, they serve the public, they are not there to demand people sit on the ground while they power trip. Unless someone is under arrest or being detained then they have no obligation to obey the word of another human being, let alone one there to serve them.

  "they were committing a crime. Its called disturbing the peace and trespassing"

  I watched the video, the only people disturbing the peace were the gangsters/executioners the USA call police, and how are the trespassing on public land?
  
  
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  "All that has to be reserved for the brat who can't follow simple orders "

  Why should she follow orders Simon?